They Started With $100: The Story Behind Clasica Campers
Gerson and Jackie, owners, of Clasica Campers.
It started with $100 and an idea. Today, Gerson and Jackie are building small, retro-inspired European campers in Eugene, Oregon, using molds dating back to 1972 and sourcing parts from across Europe. The result is Clasica Campers, a company putting a fresh spin on a classic style of caravan and creating some seriously cool options for RVers who want to go small.
We sit down with the husband-and-wife team behind Clasica Campers to hear the story of how it all began. They share how a small investment turned into a passion-driven camper company, why they chose to focus on smaller campers, and what goes into creating these unique European-inspired caravans.
We also get into the craftsmanship behind the campers, including the challenges of finding parts in Europe and bringing together old molds, modern components, and plenty of hands-on work. Gerson and Jackie take us behind the scenes of the building process and explain what makes these little campers so special.
And because this is RV Out West, we also talk about their adventures around the Pacific Northwest. From getting out on the road to exploring the places that inspire them, Gerson and Jackie share how their love of RV travel and the Pacific Northwest connects to the story of Clasica Campers.
If you’re interested in small campers, retro RVs, European caravans, vintage camper design, camper craftsmanship, or exploring the Pacific Northwest, this conversation is worth a listen.
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They Started With $100: The Story Behind Clasica Campers
What do you get when a husband and wife team, a $100 dare, a vintage camper and a passion for simple camping come together?
For Gerson and Jackie, it became Clasica Campers, a Eugene, Oregon-based company building small, fiberglass campers inspired by European design and the vintage campers they fell in love with while remodeling old RVs.
In this episode, we talk about their journey from meeting as kids in Nicaragua to living in New Zealand and Hawaii, eventually settling in Oregon and discovering a love for RV camping with their family.
We dig into how their first pop-up camper helped shape their philosophy of camping, why they deliberately seek out places without cell service, and why connection, unplugging and spending time together are at the heart of the Clasica experience.
Then we get into the incredible story behind the camper itself. After remodeling vintage campers for years, Gerson and Jackie discovered the original molds for a European camper dating back to 1972. It took nearly two years to convince the manufacturer to let them use the molds, eventually leading to the creation of the Clasica.
The result is a 12-foot, lightweight fiberglass camper weighing around 1,200 pounds and sleeping up to three people, designed around simplicity rather than screens, complicated systems and unnecessary technology.
We also talk about the realities of starting a manufacturing company, shipping campers and components from Europe, dealing with U.S. customs, the eight companies that told them they couldn't build the camper in the United States, and the decision to take a huge financial risk to make their idea a reality.
And perhaps most importantly, Gerson and Jackie explain what they mean when they say they don't want the camper to become the center of the story.
In This Episode
How Gerson and Jackie first met as kids in Nicaragua
Moving to Michigan, New Zealand and Hawaii
Running a tropical flower farm on Maui
Why they eventually settled in Oregon
Their first pop-up camper
Camping with young kids in the Oregon rain
The importance of family connection while camping
Why they intentionally seek out places without cell service
Favorite Oregon camping experiences
Camping at Diamond Lake
The Oregon coast and Siuslaw National Forest
Their experience camping in the Oregon Dunes
Why Nehalem Bay State Park is one of Brooks' favorite Oregon state parks
The $100 challenge that started their business
Finding their first vintage Aloha camper
Five years of remodeling vintage campers
Learning how to work with fiberglass
Discovering a 1970s European camper
Finding the original 1972 molds
Convincing the European manufacturer to let them use the molds
Building a camper with parts from Germany, Italy, Poland and the United States
Why they chose to build a small camper
The philosophy behind simple, analog camping
Who the Clasica is designed for
The specifications and layout of the Clasica
Why the camper doesn't include a built-in toilet
Why Gerson refused to compromise on digital screens
Why Jackie refused to compromise on the camper's colors and design
The challenges of developing their first prototype
Shipping their first campers from Europe
Navigating U.S. customs
The risks of putting their life savings into the business
Why eight U.S. manufacturers turned them down
The idea of letting the camper become part of the background
Why they wanted to build a business around their family
Working together as husband and wife
How they balance their different strengths
Their vision for a future Clasica community
The places they still want to explore in the Pacific Northwest
British Columbia, the San Juan Islands and Banff
What they hope Clasica gives its customers: peace, rest and connection
Clasica Campers
Learn more about the Clasica, see the current camper specifications, explore the company's story and learn how to order one:
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YouTuber Drew from Playing With Sticks spent a week with a Clasica Camper to see what this lightweight, European-inspired camper is really like on the road. In his episode, “I Found a 1,100lb Camper You Can Actually Stand Up Inside!”, Drew takes an in-depth look at the Clasica, including its compact design, interior layout, features and what it's like to actually camp in such a small trailer.
If you're curious about the Clasica after listening to our conversation with Gerson and Jackie, Drew's video is a great way to see the camper in action.
Watch Drew's Clasica Camper episode on YouTube
Places Mentioned
Diamond Lake, Oregon
Gerson and Jackie described a last-minute trip to Diamond Lake where they scored a campsite just feet from the water and spent their days paddleboarding. Diamond Lake is part of the Umpqua National Forest and offers camping, fishing, boating, hiking and biking.
Diamond Lake on Recreation.gov
Siuslaw National Forest
The Oregon Coast's Siuslaw National Forest came up as one of Gerson's favorite places for the misty, forested camping experience that makes the Pacific Northwest so special.
Oregon Dunes National Recreation Area
The couple also talked about an unforgettable camping experience in the dunes, including strong winds, blowing sand and catching a crab.
Oregon Dunes National Recreation Area
Nehalem Bay State Park
Brooks recommends Nehalem Bay State Park on the Oregon Coast, where the campground sits just behind the dunes with beach access nearby.
San Juan Islands
Gerson mentioned wanting to explore the San Juan Islands, with Brooks pointing out that the Clasica's small size makes it particularly well suited to ferry travel.
Squamish, British Columbia
Brooks also recommended Squamish as a destination for Gerson and Jackie to explore on a future trip through British Columbia.
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Banff, Canada Destination Travel Guide
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They Started With $100: The Story Behind Clasica Campers
Brooks, Host One hundred bucks, a nineteen seventy two camper mold, and a crazy idea. That's where the classic camper story begins. Welcome to RV Out West. I'm your host, Brooks. My family of four is. Base camp is located in the beautiful Pacific Northwest, and our RV adventures radiate out from there. Please grab a mug of coffee and join us as we discuss our RVing around the American West. From sweet camping spots, gear and equipment to tips and tricks, we've got you covered. We are RV out west. What would you do if you had one hundred dollars? A big idea and a passion for something you couldn't quite find anywhere else. For one husband and wife team in Eugene, Oregon, that was enough to get their wheels turning literally. Today, we're getting the story behind classic Akka Campers, a company creating small, retro inspired campers with a distinctly European vibe. But these aren't just campers that look cool. They're being crafted with molds dating back to nineteen seventy two, with parts sourced from across Europe and a whole lot of hands on craftsmanship along the way. It's a story about starting small, going smaller with the camper itself, and turning a one hundred dollars beginning into something pretty special. Before we get started with this episode, I've got a quick favor to ask. RV Out West is a finalist for RV shares twenty twenty six Campy Awards for best RV and Camping podcast. If you enjoy the show, I'd really appreciate your vote. The voting link is at the top of today's show notes over at RV out west dot com and in the podcast episode description right there for this episode. It only takes you a minute to vote for RV out West. Please go vote today. Voting in soon. Thanks so much. Also last week we chatted with Bar Run Golf and RV resort in Southern Oregon. If you haven't heard that episode, I suggest you go back and give it a listen. But I've got a special offer from them to share with you. Discover a different kind of RV getaway at Bar Run Golf and RV Resort in Southern Oregon. Set in Roseburg along the South, Umpqua River Bar Run offers full hookup sites, championship golf and other amazing amenities. Just steps away from fishing, wineries, hiking, and more. Perfect for long term stays or quick getaways. RV Out West listeners use promo code out West to receive ten percent off stays from October twenty twenty six through March twenty twenty seven. Plan your visit at Bar Run Golf dot com today, I'm excited to welcome Aaron and Jackie to the show. The husband and wife team behind Classic Campers, we're going to hear the story of how they turned a small idea into a passion driven camper company. And along the way, we'll talk about their love of the Pacific Northwest, their adventures on the road, and what inspired them to build these incredibly cool little campers. Ersan and jacki, welcome to RV Out West.
Gerson, Clasica Campers Oh thank you. Thanks for having us.
Jackie, Clasica Campers Yeah. Thank you.
Brooks, Host Tell us briefly a little bit about the two of you. Who are you? What were you guys doing before you started Classica? And then, of course, how did you meet? What's the story there?
Speaker 4 So we actually met when we were eight years old. We both grew up in Nicaragua, in Central America, and we didn't really become friends until high school. Mhm. But then we actually both went to college together in Michigan after Michigan. We got married and we decided we wanted to explore. We actually always thought from the from when we got married, that we always eventually wanted to have our own business. Uh, but we didn't know what that would be or what it would look like. But that was actually our dream from the beginning. Uh, so actually after college, we moved to New Zealand and we were there for like six months, wished we could stay, but our visas were up. So then we actually moved to Hawaii and we lived in Maui for three years, and we were actually managing a tropical flower farm there. So we got a lot of hands on business experience there. We got to do all the marketing, we got to run the farm. So that was a really cool learning experience and we really enjoyed, we really enjoyed it. It had its challenges, but it was good. We learned a lot. And then when we decided we were ready to have kids, we decided to move to Oregon, which is where my family is originally from. So this was like my parents home base. They still live in Nicaragua, but all my aunts and uncles and cousins and everyone lives here in Oregon. So we decided to settle here to start having kids.
Gerson, Clasica Campers Mhm.
Brooks, Host Okay. Well, so when did the two of you first kind of discover RV camping or really RV travel together? And what was it about that experience that was that hook for the two of you?
Speaker 5 Ooh, that's a great question. Our very first camper was a pop up camper. It's an old one that we bought off of marketplace. It was great. Until you try to set it up in the rain. We found out.
Speaker 6 It was this pre or post.
Brooks, Host Kids.
Speaker 7 Uh, we had.
Speaker 5 Maybe one or two.
Speaker 4 one or two kids at that point.
Speaker 6 Okay.
Speaker 4 Yeah. So it was the kind that had like a queen on both ends. Yeah. So the kids slept on one queen on one end, and we slept on a queen on the other. But we like camping year round and we had some very, very cold nights in that.
Speaker 5 Yeah.
Speaker 4 In that pop up.
Brooks, Host I started in a pop up with my kids when they were six and four. So I completely understand the love. I still have a love for pop ups. I think they're a great start. I would never recommend anybody ever buys one new. But, uh, because you move out of them pretty quickly once you are like, okay, this is pretty cool.
Speaker 5 Yeah. And we, we love camping in the coast, the Oregon coast. And as you well know, it's actually very, it's a very luscious forest because it's raining year round. And yeah, we were trying to set up one evening and we got poured on and we were trying to open these things and try to level and trying to do everything that that that goes along with getting a pop up ready. And yeah, it was quite the adventure.
Brooks, Host Yeah, it really is. And was there like a particular trip or moment when you realize that this is something we want to keep doing together as a couple, as a family. And what did that look like? And tell me about that moment or that story. What is that?
Speaker 5 Yeah, I would say definitely waking up with the kids, it almost felt like it was a like a big sleepover. And we felt almost like we were kids at the same time. But we were the adults in this scenario, and the kids all had their PJs, and we were in the morning drinking our coffee and we thought, oh boy, this is just, this is like a sleepover. But you open the curtains and you're out in a beautiful spot. And we thought, this is just, this is just wonderful. We, we, we fell in love with it, I think.
Speaker 4 Yeah. And I think we. One thing that we really liked about the pop up is you have a lot of the conveniences of an RV, but you kind of still feel like you're outside. Um, so that can be a negative, you know, when it's thirty degrees outside. Um, but when we were designing the Classica, I think we, we really wanted that same feeling of you're not just like completely insulated from the outdoors. Like you can still, like with all the windows everywhere, like you still feel like you're part of wherever you're camping.
Speaker 5 And we do have a mini pop up.
Speaker 4 So that's true. The Classica does pop up.
Brooks, Host Do you remember where you were when you kind of had that aha moment of like, this is like a family sleepover and we're having fun. Do you remember where you were?
Speaker 4 Was it was it Valentine's Day? Off of highway fifty eight. Was that the trip that you're thinking of?
Speaker 6 Oh.
Speaker 8 Yeah. That sounds about right. Yeah.
Speaker 7 Yeah.
Speaker 4 There was, Uh, I don't even actually remember what it's called. There's like this lake right off of, um, highway fifty eight. It's not. It's maybe like an hour from Eugene. Um, gosh, I don't even remember the name of it, but it was Valentine's Day and we wanted to do something fun for Valentine's Day, so it was way too cold, like we mentioned. Um, and it was misty rainy. So it had like all the cozy elements and you took the fishing poles and the girls were little. I don't know, that's the one that I'm thinking of that stands out with that pop up camper.
Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah. I would say that that entire experience, because part of me was miserable, but the kids were having so much fun and seeing the whole experience through their eyes, kind of like help reset my perspective. And that was quite a neat experience for me. I would say.
Speaker 6 You guys.
Brooks, Host Have spent a lot of time traveling around the world, but also around the Pacific Northwest. What have some of those travels taught you about the kind of camping experiences that you really value?
Speaker 7 Oh.
Speaker 6 HMM.
Speaker 5 I would say hands down connection. I would say is one of the, the, the biggest things that we feel we get from, from traveling and camping is not only are we connected with each other, we're spending time with each other. We're in each other's space. We're, we're like physically bumping into each other. It's not like we're, we're at home where I can be in a separate room or the kids are in their own room. It's like we can't avoid spending time with each other. And the feeling of connection with each other and also not having a phone, not having signal.
Speaker 4 Yeah. I think we actually normally seek out campsites that don't have signal just because it helps you unplug and connect in a way that it's harder to do if you're still getting notifications and emails, it's just harder to unplug.
Speaker 5 Yeah, it's actually more refreshing because I used to think like, if I took a Saturday and I just completely vegged out and was in my, in my couch, you know, watching movies with the kids, I thought that would actually feel refreshing. But I would just, I just, it was not rest even though I was doing nothing. Right. So actually camping and hiking and getting sweaty and paddle boarding or fishing, whatever we do, even though it's physically exerting it feels restful. It's just in every level. It's just Multi-dimensionally is good for us at least. We love it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 And you, you mentioned like, you know, the Pacific Northwest in particular.
Speaker 6 Yeah.
Speaker 4 Something that we found, like we have lived in lots of different places, and when we were remodeling campers for years, we actually drove all over, delivering like buying campers and delivering them. And it was really cool that whenever we got back to Oregon and started getting back to where we live in the Willamette Valley, every time we're like, oh my goodness, like we just love it here. Like this is our favorite. Like we would be driving around California and we went to Nevada. We've seen the desert, we've gone all over. And whenever we would come back to the Eugene area where we live or in the surrounding areas, we're like, man, like this is just our place. Like, we just love it here. We've been here ten years now, and we've over the years, as we've made different decisions and thought about, you know, things that we might need to pivot on, we've considered like maybe we need to move And we're like, man, we just don't think we could ever top this.
Speaker 6 Yeah.
Brooks, Host There is really something about the northwest that gives your hook. And I'm born and raised in the northwest, but I spent a decade away. I lived in San Francisco. I lived in down by Ventura and Santa Barbara. I lived out in Philadelphia. I lived in Saint Thomas in the US, Virgin Islands in the Caribbean. So I two bounced around and I've been home now since twenty ten. In your time exploring the Pacific Northwest, tell me about some places that have really stuck with you guys from a camping perspective. Give me some specifics about where you guys like to go.
Speaker 5 I think. The first thing that comes to mind is what are the places where we had adventures like where we've had things go wrong, and those are the ones that really come right now. Come to my to my mind, like that one time we went to the dunes and we camped on the dunes.
Speaker 9 Oh gosh.
Speaker 5 And the wind was so strong and the wind has. Had like salt and sand and and it. That felt like.
Speaker 4 We were getting like pelted by the sand. But it's beautiful. Yeah. And you like caught a crab. That was really exciting. I don't know, I think our most recent highlight camping trip was very last minute. We decided we wanted to go to Diamond Lake. We actually completely lucked out. I know like it's in Oregon. You kind of have to plan way ahead with camping. Like stuff fills up pretty quickly. But we there happened to be a spot right on the edge of the lake. I mean, it was ten feet from our campsite was the lake. And we brought paddle boards. Mhm. And we spent a few days there and it was just gorgeous. Like the, the mountain was like, right framed outside our window and we just paddle board to like the the resorts and back and forth. And it was, I mean, it was gorgeous. And we just lucked out with that camp spot. So that was definitely a highlight to me.
Speaker 5 I love the Siuslaw National Forest, just going off the road just enough and having cozy, misty rain just amongst big trees. I love that cozy feeling. And so we go back and forth from like, oh, nice views to cozy feeling. My favorite by far is the cozy feeling of.
Speaker 4 In the coastal range.
Speaker 5 Coastal range of Oregon right here. Yeah.
Speaker 6 Yeah.
Brooks, Host Have you ever camped at Nehalem Bay State Park in Manzanita?
Speaker 4 No, I don't think so.
Brooks, Host That is my favorite state park.
Speaker 6 Okay.
Brooks, Host Nehalem Bay State Park. So it's twenty five minutes or twenty five miles south of Cannon Beach.
Speaker 4 Okay.
Brooks, Host On the coast.
Speaker 5 Okay.
Brooks, Host But if you look at an aerial map of the campground, you can get a spot that's just on the other side of the sand berm. So then you're just up and over the berm and you're right on the beach. And it's the big, cool, sandy Oregon beaches, not the rocky ones there.
Speaker 4 Mhm. So okay.
Brooks, Host Nehalem Bay State Park. All right. Well, you guys just didn't wake up one morning and decide, hey, let's start an RV company. So take me back to the beginning. What was happening in your lives when this idea first started forming?
Speaker 5 Yeah. So we knew we wanted to have our own business, but we were so terrified of starting something, we actually had a bet. We said, um, a dare. Can we start a business with one hundred dollars? Because that's all we wanted to risk.
Brooks, Host Fair. Okay.
Speaker 5 And because we felt, you know, like we felt so scared, like we've heard horror stories about businesses going under and we wanted something that we would work together. And Jackie's amazing, amazing at design. And I'm more the left brainer of the operation. So more about making things work and one hundred dollars. We don't know. And then we found this vintage nineteen sixty nine Aloha camper. And it was made in Aloha, Oregon back in the day. And we found it. And the guy wanted fifteen hundred dollars. And I said, Jackie, do you think we can make this pretty and, like, fix it up? And he's like, oh, yeah, sure, I'm sure. Yeah. And Jackie immediately started making Pinterest boards and immediately started getting textures and colors together. And we contacted the guys, hey, you know, like, okay, Fifteen hundred. Okay. Yeah, I think we can do that. And then we said, can we put one hundred dollars deposit? And the guy's like, sure. And that was it for us. We're like, oh my gosh, that's it. We we are.
Speaker 4 We kind of started a business with one hundred dollars. Symbolically.
Brooks, Host That's all that matters. That is all that matters.
Speaker 4 Yeah. So we, we did that for officially kind of for five years. We just found a particular love of the vintage ones because they were more unique. They had a lot of character. Totally. Um, we started remodeling them. And as we were doing that, we learned the lesson of fiberglass is better in like just about every way. Uh, we, we dealt with some gnarly rotted trailers, you know, that were wood more stick build ones. And so through our remodeling process, we were like, okay, we just want to stick with fiberglass. So then we actually started only looking for scamps and bowlers.
Speaker 5 And.
Speaker 4 Trillium trilliums. So we kind of started specializing in fiberglass and would only redo those just because we felt so much more confident in their overall structure. They were just.
Brooks, Host Let me ask you this question. And either of you worked with fiberglass previously, or was this a learn on the job kind of situation?
Speaker 5 It was learn on the job, but we were actually quite fortunate. We have a auto body shop pretty close to us and he's been doing it for thirty plus years. We also have a boat shop close to us. So some we had a lot of questions and how do you do this or how do you fix this the right way? How do you deal with the whole, how do you make it look like there was no hope to begin with?
Speaker 4 And yeah, and my, my dad had a career in construction, so we were often consulting him on how to do different things, and.
Speaker 5 He worked building trailers for many years.
Speaker 4 That's true. He did so. And then you also worked construction before we started. We started this. So there were some certain base skills already established, but there was a lot of learning on the job. So yeah, we did that. And over the years, as we were meeting all of our customers, learning what they liked, what they didn't like, what they were looking for, and then also learning what we liked. And we also were learning what was failing in all these campers and what was really nasty. When we would find it maybe two or three years into the remodeling, we're like, we need to make our own.
Speaker 5 Yeah, we're like, I think we can do this. Like we would take them apart completely and put them back together. Like, I think we can do this.
Brooks, Host So what did that look like? That's actually a great transition because I wanted to ask you when you finally decided, Okay. Let's do this. What did that look like? Tell me about it.
Speaker 5 Good question. Ooh.
Speaker 4 Well, it started when we found that. So in our remodeling journey, we found a nineteen seventies European caravan. It was in. I think it was in Tennessee. We just found it on like Facebook. We were both like, oh my goodness. This is the cutest thing we have ever seen. It was all fiberglass. It was so cute, so unique. We're like, we have to get our hands on this. Like we have to remodel this one. This is just the coolest thing we've ever seen. So actually my parents drove it all the way across the country. We bought it and they drove it all the way across the country to us in Oregon. We just loved everything about it. Again, it was all fiberglass, so it was fifty years old, but it was still in amazing condition. And then he set off on a journey of like, okay, we know enough now what we want, what we think we want to do if we were to make our own camper. And like we knew enough about fiberglass that we're like, okay, the molds. The molds are somewhere like someone made this. It was in the seventies, but like where the molds. So he went on a journey to like figure that out.
Speaker 5 Yeah. We didn't, we didn't even know if these things were still made. We had no idea. It was one of a kind as far as we knew. We just went in this deep, deep dive. And eventually we found the original molds from nineteen seventy two, and we found a manufacturer and we said we found them in Europe. And we said, I said, hey, could, could we, could we like have the mold and we can we make these again for us? And they're like, no, like, why? Why would you want that? It's from the seventies. And we're like, yes, we want it from the seventies. We want the this one from the seventies because we, when we took that nineteen seventy two camper, it was intact. And that was one of the first times that I was like, this is intact because there was like no rotted floor.
Speaker 9 Well, because yeah, it had fiberglass.
Speaker 4 All underneath as well. So there was no subfloor that could rot.
Speaker 5 Yeah.
Brooks, Host So cool. And did they. So did they give you the mold or were you able to buy the mold or get the mold or.
Speaker 5 Well they said at first they said no. They said, no, you can't use this mold. You can't buy it. You know, like, don't you Americans want, uh, one that's ten meters long. Thirty. Yeah, thirty feet long. Yeah. And, and we said, actually, no, I think there's some people that might like something that's this small and simple. And it took me about two years to convince them. And eventually they said they gave us the rights to the mold.
Speaker 9 They said like, well.
Speaker 4 Well, we asked them, can you make them for us? Like, can you make what we are thinking? Like, can you be the manufacturer? And we use your mold and like, we'll design the interior, we'll design everything. But like, can we make this camper happen together?
Speaker 5 They eventually said eventually said yes, but we're taking parts from Germany, parts from Italy, parts from Poland, even American parts getting shipped there and putting it all together, sending them here and we finish them here.
Brooks, Host What a cool story. My draw when I found you guys on Instagram, was that what you guys have decided to build is something small and simple. At a time when it feels like the RV industry is going bigger. It's adding more tech. It's adding more slides, it's adding more this, more that, which is just more stuff to break. So besides the whole more stuff to break factor, which is kind of Captain Obvious, what is it for you guys? That was the reason for small.
Speaker 5 I think I go back to what you asked us earlier. For us is about connection. We we, we knew that we wanted a place where we can connect with ourselves, with our kids and not be distracted by screens or by what we have going on in social media or our jobs or, or whatever. So we thought if we can provide a place where people can actually rest, connect with as analog as possible. Yes, we do have technology. We do have in the front, we call it in the trunk, in the in the front box, there is a very high tech battery. But if you don't want to see it, you don't have to see it. You can leave it closed. We wanted the entire experience to be one that was as analog as possible, where people have an excuse to go outside.
Speaker 9 Yeah.
Speaker 4 And we, we also, as we were remodeling, just kind of found our people, which are people who they don't have a big truck, they have maybe never towed anything before, and they're kind of really intimidated by a big RV. They would find like the little scamps that we remodel, or they now are finding the classica and they're like, oh my goodness, like, I can do this. So it's like, it's, it's for our people who they never thought it was possible to, to be able to camp in this way. But with the very lightweight, small, intentional space, these people are like so excited that they can actually tow this and they can actually do this. And it's not intimidating.
Speaker 9 Mhm.
Speaker 4 I think that was really exciting for us. And it was really important for us to, to reach those people.
Speaker 5 And a lot of our favorite memories, camping have been spur of the moment type camping. It's like we are like sitting like, what are you gonna do? Hey, you want to go check out that spot? I'm like, yeah, let's go. And we just throw everything and take off and and for us with like, we wanted the our camper to be for people that like that kind of camping where the classica is ready to go, you don't have to spend.
Speaker 9 A day.
Speaker 4 Getting it ready.
Speaker 5 You don't have to get it ready. You don't have to do all sorts of like, oh, I gotta check this.
Brooks, Host You can easily store it in your driveway.
Speaker 5 Yeah. So it's, it's right there. And if you have the urge to go check out for us, it'll be like, oh, let's go to the coast or let's go to this crater lake, wherever you want to go, just, just go for us. Those have been some of our favorite memories.
Brooks, Host Aaron and Jackie have shared with us that camping for them is what builds connection within their own family. A way to unplug, be together without distractions right here in the Pacific Northwest. They even shared a few of their favorite camping spots, but ultimately they grew into flipping small retro campers. And then the spark happened, leading them to ask themselves the big question of can we build one on our own? Coming up after the break. We're talking all about the classic A camper and what makes it so special. Stay with us. I'm Brooks and you're listening to RV Out West. First, a word from our longtime sponsor and friend over at camper alerts dot com. Sold out campgrounds used to mean one thing. Game over. Not anymore. Camper alerts dot com keeps watch on the most in-demand, hardest to get into campgrounds out there, the ones that are booked solid for months, and the moment a site opens up, you get the alert. No constant checking, no luck based refreshes, just real time access to cancellations and openings before they disappear again. The dream spot everyone is fighting for. Yeah, you just got it. Say goodbye to sold out campgrounds, because fall doesn't have to mean finished. Visit camper alerts dot com and set your alert today. Welcome back to RV Out West. Let's get right back into our conversation with Ursin and Jackie of Classica Camper. So let's go ahead and talk about the Classica. Now why don't you go ahead and describe it to me. Tell me about the specs. Tell me, what does it look like? What if somebody's not familiar with it? Go ahead and describe it to me and tell me all about it.
Speaker 10 So the Classica.
Speaker 5 Is a European inspired camper. The original mold, the original shape was made. It was designed with a Polish and Italian design team together, and it was designed to be towed by a Fiat one hundred twenty six. So the lines and the shape. It's all designed to have like a little bit of Italian flair to it. And it's, it's designed for a very small car to pull.
Speaker 9 Yeah.
Speaker 4 So it's, it's only twelve hundred pounds. Well, it's actually eleven hundred and fifty three pounds. Um, so towable by most vehicles. It was actually really important to us that it was a beautiful space. So we designed it with that in mind. We wanted it to feel very cosy and natural and more like you're in a tasteful home rather than, you know, some of the more generic cold grey RVs that you see on the market. So it's got a lot of warm colours and we designed it to be simple, but that's very much on purpose. The whole idea behind the Classica is less things to break, less things to manage so that you can just focus on the place that you're in. So it's got it can sleep up to three people while we sleep in it with the two of us and our four kids. But that's that's not for everyone.
Brooks, Host Yeah. Fair enough. That that goes back to those sleepovers that Irsan was talking about.
Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we can tell you that it is possible, but, you know, do it at your own risk. So, uh, there's a dinette in the, in the front and dinette in the back, and those both convert to beds. So the back one's a double bed. The front one's a single bed. Um, and then it's got a sink and a mini fridge in the little kitchenette. And then it's got kind of a counter for prep space. Or you can put, you know, a portable stove there. We, we prefer to cook outside. It's not, there's no built in stove for that reason. There's a closet and lots of overhead storage and there's storage underneath all the seating and. Yeah, and the best part, I think, is that the, the large front and rear windows open completely.
Brooks, Host Oh, cool.
Speaker 4 So it, it really does feel so open and airy in there. Even though it's a small space, those big windows open up and it just does not feel cramped in there at all. Um, and it actually has a pop top on the top that pops open and also gives lets in light and air. So it just feels so spacious.
Brooks, Host Um, what's the height? The interior height.
Speaker 11 Yeah.
Speaker 5 Six foot one when it's fully open.
Speaker 11 Yeah.
Brooks, Host When it's fully open it's six one. And when it's.
Speaker 4 Closed. Oh sorry. Go ahead.
Brooks, Host No. Go ahead. When it's closed. What?
Speaker 4 I believe it's five eight when it's closed.
Brooks, Host Okay. And does the classic come with a, um, like a cassette toilet or any sort of. Or do you just assume then people are using, you know, the bathhouses at state parks.
Speaker 4 And yeah, so we found that our customers all have their own like favorite solutions for that. So a lot of people, what they do, and this is what we do as well. We have a, a cassette toilet and we have like a little pop up shelter that we put at our campsite in the cassette toilet goes in there. So then it's entirely separate from your sleeping and living space. Uh, that's how we prefer it. That's how our customers prefer it. Um, some of our customers, though, if they don't want to leave the camper at night, they, they just leave the cassette toilet inside for the night time.
Brooks, Host Right.
Speaker 4 But yeah, there's nothing it does not come included. Um, again, because lots of our customers already have their own favorite cassette toilet that they use.
Brooks, Host Yeah. Okay. What was one thing independently, each of you absolutely Refused to compromise on when you were building the classica.
Speaker 5 I did not want there to be digital screens everywhere, so no screens telling you the status of tanks or telling you whether or connecting to your phone. Nothing of the sort. I wanted it to be analog as much as possible. I wanted it to be to feel as a retreat as much as possible.
Brooks, Host How about you, Jackie? What was your. No compromise?
Speaker 11 Oh.
Speaker 4 I mean, the thing that I just kind of spent the most time on and did so many iterations of, and, I mean, I can't even tell you how many hours went into this. Like, to me, the colors, the colors really mattered. So we went through like so many versions of the outside stripe colors. We went through so many versions of the, the color of the whole exterior went through so many versions of. Yeah, just like the colors of everything. That was something I was not willing to compromise on, and it had to be right. So I probably annoyed people along the way as I was like, nope, it's not right. We got to do it again. Yeah, I guess that'll probably be my answer.
Brooks, Host So take me through. So you're having the molds made elsewhere. You're then getting something delivered. So you get your first one that's kind of your initial prototype. And are you putting in to your point, Jackie putting in a backsplash. And then once it's installed, you're going, yeah, not what I want. Harrison. Rip it out. Let's do it again. I'm running down the floor and decor to find some new tile backsplashes to put in. Is that kind of what that looked like? And so painting over and over again on the exterior stripe as an example, what, what did that look like?
Speaker 12 I would say it's a lot of what we.
Speaker 5 Did is the things that you liked. We were doing it along the way in our remodels, like, hey, I like this backsplash and can we put this backsplash and what does it actually look like? And so we were doing a lot of testing along the way as we were designing our own.
Speaker 4 But then by the time we were, we were making the first prototype of the Klasika. It was not at the point of putting it on the finished product yet. It was just the over and over, getting different samples of the materials that we would be using.
Brooks, Host And then holding them up and looking and saying, okay, yay or nay. Yep.
Speaker 4 Because everything now is online. So I was having to do all sorts of ordering online, and I would have to wait until they would come and then they would come and I'd be like, nope, nope. In person, it does not look right. And then we'd have to do it again. So it was a little bit it was cumbersome, but at least it was, it was at the sample like level. It wasn't like the classic I had already been made and then we had to redo it.
Brooks, Host My next question now, whether it is about the Classica and the build, or being business owners of the Classica. Thus far, what has been the hardest decision the two of you have had to make?
Speaker 13 Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 Oh, that's a very good question.
Speaker 4 I feel like we make hard decisions every day.
Speaker 5 We we decided the one that comes to my mind is we decided to ship from Europe, not knowing if they were going to be able to go through customs.
Speaker 4 That was that was yeah, that was so hard. I mean, we were told multiple times that what we were trying to do was impossible. Yeah. And we came up against so many roadblocks. And there were many times when we thought, okay, this is just not going to work. Mhm. We did everything by the book, everything to the tee. But there was so much gray area on so many different things that at one point we had to just say, we have to do it like, let's just do it. We think we've crossed all our T's and dotted all our eyes. We've done everything we can. Buy the book. But until it's like in customs, like this is what the professionals were telling us. Until it's like, actually in customs, you don't know if it's going to clear.
Brooks, Host Right.
Speaker 4 And yeah, when it came. So I think that was the really hard decision to be like, you know what, we could be risking all this money, but we're going to send the first shipment not knowing if it's going to cross customs or not.
Speaker 14 Yeah. And that's.
Brooks, Host I mean, that's a big decision. That is scary. You got a lot riding on it.
Speaker 14 Yeah.
Speaker 5 Up to that point, you know, we were all in with life savings with our house. We're not the only entrepreneurs that have done this, but we've tried like eight. We tried like eight different companies in the US. Can you make this for us here?
Speaker 4 Because like we had our we had other designs that we had come up with, and that would involve making our own fiberglass mold.
Speaker 5 Yeah. And we tried and tried and it was about eight different companies. And it was no, no, no, no no no no.
Brooks, Host Why were they saying no? What were their reasons for their nos.
Speaker 14 Yeah.
Speaker 5 So a lot of it is first they say hey it's X amount of dollars per engineering hour. You are asking us to design, you know, a mold and do iterations for this thing for something that might not work. Because every time you make a mold, the molds are made out of aluminum and they're super expensive to make. And it could be that the mold that you make is not structurally sound like the curves don't hold together.
Speaker 15 Well, there's yes, there's.
Speaker 4 So much R&D that has to go into it ahead of time.
Speaker 5 And some companies are like, you might not have enough money to see this through. And we don't want to be left in the middle of a project that you know, it.
Speaker 4 I think a lot of them just saw us as small fry.
Speaker 14 A lot of them.
Speaker 4 And they were like, nah.
Brooks, Host Okay, well, and that's fair. So let me ask you this. On your website, you guys have talked a lot and used the phrase without letting the camper become the center of the story.
Speaker 15 Mhm.
Brooks, Host I would like to know specifically what does that mean to you?
Speaker 5 Our dream is that after like two, three months of use of camping every weekend, the Clasica just becomes the vehicle in the background of people's adventures. And because we have seen the opposite, where your camper is, this thing that you have to maintain or this broke over and over. Oh, we need to do maintenance. We need to dump the tanks or we have a leak in the black water tank, or we have to go to a dump site. We have to go to, oh, this one doesn't have hookups. So then your RV becomes.
Speaker 4 Like the main event.
Speaker 5 The main event of your camping experience after three months, month one. It's like the coolest thing you've had. Month two, it's great. Month three yeah, just just go on the classic and the classic guy is so, so simple, so reliable.
Speaker 4 Nimble.
Speaker 5 Nimble that you might not even notice that it's there.
Speaker 4 Well, and it just the, the place that you're at is the main attraction, not the.
Speaker 5 And the people that you're with.
Speaker 4 Yeah. And so the camper isn't a distraction from, from the main event, which is the people in the place.
Speaker 5 Sometimes what prevents people from camping isn't the prep work. It's the whole, oh my gosh. At the end of camping, I have to put this thing to bed and I have to put this away and put this away and figure this out and this needs to go here. So babying the camper at the end of the trip when everyone is tired.
Speaker 4 And then you need like a vacation from your vacation.
Speaker 14 Yeah, that.
Speaker 5 Becomes such a hurdle that people are like, I don't want to do that. That's just a lot of work. And then they end up doing like two big trips instead of like enjoying every weekend if possible.
Brooks, Host And that's what drew me when I saw your Instagram and those lines. And it's clean and it's that European design and it's just, it's a gorgeous looking camper. You guys, you guys have done well.
Speaker 4 So thank you so much.
Speaker 14 Thank you. Yeah.
Brooks, Host Well, speaking of Classica, I want to know why did you really start Classica? What did you want this company to change in your lives?
Speaker 4 I feel like even thinking about that question, I'm getting emotional. I think it's just a a continuation of our ideal life. We we didn't want a life where he clocked in and was gone all day at a job, and then we would only see him at the end of the day. We we just, you know, see him for a few hours and he's tired from a day of work. Like we knew from the beginning that that wasn't for us. So we wanted to create something that would sustain our family, that would give our girls what they need. And we get to work together. Like we get to be together, we get to have our own schedule. We get to go on adventures with our girls like we get to. It's just kind of the vessel for, for, for the life that we have dreamt of together.
Speaker 14 Yeah, like.
Speaker 5 The girls go with us when we want to go check out a new spot. Let's say there's a photo shoot. The girls are there, but. But guess what? They're in a beautiful spot. They've never seen that we drove across. You know, the state or we. We went to a different state. And it's it's like a continuation of, of the adventure and, and the life that we want.
Speaker 4 Yeah. And we've always dreamed about being able to involve our, our, our kids in the business too. We want to give them the tools that they need to succeed in the areas that they're passionate about. So if one of them loves design, it's like, well, hey Classica, we can help train you in that. Or like they can launch into the world with, with so many skills already. If we have a company that's sustainable and it's thriving. Like we can actually involve the girls in that. So that was always a dream, a dream of ours. And this is sort of leading us on that trajectory.
Speaker 14 That's cool.
Brooks, Host Well, you had mentioned the husband and wife factor. So you guys are not only just building a camper company together, but you're doing it as husband and wife, which I think is really cool. But how do you know when to stop talking about work and just be husband and wife again?
Speaker 4 Oh my gosh. I don't think we figured.
Speaker 16 That out yet.
Speaker 14 We're still.
Speaker 5 Learning. So but we we love talking about like, I love solving puzzles. I love, uh, dealing with logistics. I'm dealing with logistics right now across continents. And to me, it's just, oh, this is a big puzzle that needs to be solved. And you love design. So we're always talking about it. But yes, that's a very good question.
Brooks, Host To be continued.
Speaker 14 Yeah.
Speaker 5 Yeah. Maybe if I maybe if I could frame it this way. We default to each other's strengths. So if it's definitely something on Jackie's side that she is, she has the final say. I could have opinions and thoughts and feelings, but she has the final say on, you know, certain areas. I have a final say on certain areas. So we we kind of know it's kind of like a bike. The left foot is doing its own thing and the right foot is doing its own thing. But they both kind of need to be doing different things. But at the same time, I don't know if that makes sense.
Brooks, Host That's a great analogy.
Speaker 4 And I feel like at this stage of the business, it's still just like really fun and exciting. So talking about it all the time doesn't feel like draining.
Speaker 14 Yeah.
Speaker 4 There's, there's times where it does, but not always. So we haven't really put the brakes on. Let's not talk about work right now.
Speaker 14 It's okay.
Brooks, Host So I'm going to ask each of you. What's something about your spouse that you think has made Classica? Possible that you couldn't have done on your own?
Speaker 14 I definitely think right away.
Speaker 5 I think Jackie understands how a space makes people feel. And I, I think that's a gift. I think she she can make any space with. She understands. Hey, I want this space to feel relaxing. She understands the texture, the color. Everything about it. I don't think I know anybody or know of anybody, um, that can do that, so naturally.
Speaker 17 Well, thanks, baby.
Speaker 15 Well, he's actually very.
Speaker 4 Creative too, though. Like he's a left brainer, but he's also a musician, so he's kind of has both. But he is way more structured and methodical. I could get nowhere with the business without his like, ability to make systems and make things organized and streamlined. Like I'm all over the place. It's just like kind of what feels right in the moment. And he is like, so good at creating a streamlined system, organizing things, making things scalable. Like his brain just sees systems and how to make things efficient and how to make things work that I do not see at all. Also, he has, we call it.
Speaker 15 The figure.
Speaker 4 It out muscle. He has an extremely, extremely strong figured out muscle. So I give up way before he would. But his figured out muscle is so strong. So I think that's fun. We would never have gotten to where we are without his very strong figured out muscle.
Brooks, Host When you two are looking ahead, what are you most excited about for Classica?
Speaker 14 I would love.
Speaker 5 For the Classica people to meet each other. Honestly, we have met such amazing people, so thoughtful and very conscious.
Brooks, Host So you need to find a classic. A hangout?
Speaker 4 Yeah. And I think they would all get along really well.
Speaker 8 They would all get along.
Speaker 5 Yeah, that.
Speaker 4 Yeah. We've been, like, overwhelmed with how kind and Just wonderful humans that have been our customers so far. Yeah, I. I second that.
Speaker 14 Yeah.
Speaker 8 So yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 In the future, I just want people that own a Clasico. The people that are in the classical circle, I don't know how to describe it, but I want them to get to know each other.
Speaker 14 Yeah.
Speaker 5 They give each other like a look or something. Oh yeah. You got one too. And like, yeah, like I understand each other because like our very first customers, we, we were doing the whole because we had to go through paperwork and all that. And we were sitting with them and, and we have this whole going through the camper, we have this checklist, the what the customer was like, hey, um, I brought a couple beers. You guys want to have a beer with us? I was like.
Brooks, Host Yeah, why.
Speaker 14 Not? Yeah.
Speaker 5 So we literally, we literally, we had just met these people and they were so cool. Like we, we were having a beer and it was raining and we were just having an awesome time. As if we hadn't.
Brooks, Host Finding boring paperwork.
Speaker 14 Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 Yeah. And to us, it's like, yeah, that that has been an iconic classical moment because I would say over and over and over and over and over that has been our experience. These people are amazing. They, they get it. They, they understand. They, they, they get the whole, um, yeah, I want the camp to connect. I want the camp to go out there. I.
Speaker 4 They have we don't have to explain what we're doing. They just like see it and they're like, oh, yep, I get it.
Brooks, Host That's so cool.
Speaker 4 Yeah. I would say the thing I'm most excited for in the future, the first thing that came to mind when you said that was being in like a random place or state and seeing a classic on the road.
Speaker 14 I.
Brooks, Host Was gonna ask that question, has that happened yet?
Speaker 4 Yeah, no, it hasn't happened yet. It happened. It's happened with our remodels though. Yeah. We have seen one of our remodels in the wild and that was a crazy experience. We're like, no way. Like that is our camper. But when we see it, when we are in like a random place, like not right at our hub here, and we see a classic going down the road. Like that will be the day.
Speaker 14 Like.
Speaker 5 Driving through Nebraska, maybe, you know.
Speaker 14 Or.
Speaker 4 Or in like Florida or Maine and we see a classica.
Speaker 14 Yeah.
Brooks, Host I want to go back to the Pacific Northwest really quickly and ask you, where's the place, the Pacific Northwest that you guys still want to explore?
Speaker 14 Oh.
Speaker 4 Does BC Canada count?
Brooks, Host Absolutely.
Speaker 4 Okay.
Brooks, Host I. BC, BC, Washington, Oregon and Idaho. That's what I deem the PNW.
Speaker 4 Okay. For me, it's bc.
Speaker 14 I.
Brooks, Host That's a big province.
Speaker 4 Banff.
Brooks, Host That's Alberta. That's not BC.
Speaker 4 Oh that's that's too.
Speaker 14 Oh gosh.
Brooks, Host One province over. I will loop it in. I've been to Banff. I will put a link in the show notes for my episode on Banff. Go to go to RV out West and listen to my Banff episode. Banff is stunning.
Speaker 4 Oh shoot. Okay, I will erase that.
Brooks, Host I will still include that in I won't cheat you totally out of it because it's right on the line. But Banff is amazing. Where else?
Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, I think just bc in general we've never gone up through BC and the, the mountains there just I mean I'm I'm.
Brooks, Host Have you been to Squamish on your way up to Whistler?
Speaker 4 No.
Brooks, Host Google that. Squamish.
Speaker 4 Okay. Yeah, I think I'm. I am a sucker for mountains. Like I always scare him when we're driving. Like if I ever like if we're going towards bend or something and I. My first glimpse of a snow capped mountain, I always like gasp and he's like, what? What happened? What's wrong? And I'm like, oh, I just saw the mountain.
Speaker 14 Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4 So yeah, I want to see the really big mountains in Canada.
Speaker 14 Yeah. To me, I, I think I.
Speaker 5 Haven't been to the San Juans yet.
Speaker 14 Okay.
Speaker 5 But I, I would love to, I would love to go there. It sounds misty. It sounds beautiful.
Brooks, Host Yeah. The archipelago up there. Ferry boat ride. The Classica will fit on it real easily.
Speaker 4 There you go.
Brooks, Host When you look at what you guys are building with the Classica, what do you hope it ultimately gives people?
Speaker 13 Oh. Peace.
Speaker 5 Rest and connection. Yeah, we we we kept asking ourselves, what? How can we create a space where people can have a slow morning? So a place where people can you wake up and just look up. Pretty much you can look up from the from the bed. You can look up into the trees or the sky. And then you wake up, make a cup of coffee and journal. If we can give people rest and peace and connection, I think we.
Speaker 13 That's done our job. Yeah.
Brooks, Host So if people want to follow along in your adventures, where can they follow along? Where can they learn more about classical campers? Tell me all about how they can get in touch and find you guys.
Speaker 13 Yes.
Speaker 4 So we have Instagram. We're probably the most active on Instagram. Our handle is just classic campers and it's Classica with one s. And then our website is Classica campers dot com. We're also on Facebook under the same thing, Classica campers. And if you want like a really thorough walkthrough of the camper, drew from playing with sticks, took a classica for a week and thoroughly tested it. And then we did a video with him on YouTube. So you could find that that like really thorough walkthrough of everything. Um, on playing with sticks, YouTube. That's where we are.
Brooks, Host And I will be sure to have links to all of those over in the show notes at rv dot com. Well, Harrison and Jackie, thank you guys so much for giving of your time coming on the show. It has been wonderful talking to you, hearing your story and learning about your PA adventures and building of Classica campers as well. So thank you.
Speaker 5 Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 13 Yeah.
Speaker 4 Thank you so much for having us. We really enjoyed it.
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